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In Reply to: Nats "Mystery Bump" - the photo posted by GoatWorld on August 24, 2001 at 21:01:50:
This is obviously a Toggenburg right? It's rather deja vu for me because the goat I tend to for a friend has a Togg that looks like this and this appears to be in the same area.
Before I'd jump on the "it's CL" bandwagon, I'm just wondering if this goat had gotten into some grass seed that stuck in the side of its mouth and is now causing an abscess?
The other thing I wonder is that I remember reading that you had stuck a needle in the lump but were unable to evacuate anything. What gauge needle did you use? I'm just wondering if it is possible that the needle went through the other side of the abscess wall (if this turns out to be CL) and the exudate began spreading further into the lymph node. From the times I've lanced my friends goat, I've always noticed that the exudate is so thick and pasty that I doubt it could be withdrawn with a small needle.
How is the hair around where the lump originally began? If you grab some of the hair there, will it pull out real easy? What I've seen with the CL is that the hair will start falling out the closer it gets to the time where the lump will burst if left unattended. If the hair pulls out really easy, it may be getting toward that time.
Really there is only one thing that comes to mind when you say this lump is spreading and that is that needle that you used trying to withdraw something.
I think what I'd do (and keep in mind I'm no vet nor do I know everything there is to know about goats or CL) is to prepare to lance the lump if it is losing the hair. You may want to have your vet do this - it's not a job for everyone. If it's not losing hair, I'd wait on the lancing but definitely keep the goat in quarantine away from all the other goats. Definitely get the testing done that I think Vicki mentioned earlier.
There is an article I wrote about lancing a CL abscess in the Articles section - complete with pictures.There is another article as well. You may want to look at my article first just to compare the location of this lump.
Now just for what it's worth - this book I'm reading called Natural Goat Care contains a section on CL which I've found rather interesting. She talks about a Saanen doe that had three exterior lumps rupture and the vet also diagnosed that CL had spread to the lungs and to the liver. It was decided that a course of megadoses of vitamin C would be administered. Apparently this detoxifies the material of the abscess so it does not affect the system. It clearly states that this only applies to CAE free animals.
The doe was given 10 grams IM of vitamin C for 10 days with several injections of 2cc's of vitamin B12 and supportive nursing. Apparently this Saanen regained her health and become a picture of beauty (it doesn't say whether or not another CL episode occured). So perhaps this treatment may work. I don't know but I am going to give it a try with my friends Togg.
Hope this helps.
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