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Re: A tense moment! long sorry

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Posted by Karen on May 11, 2002 at 09:42:12:

In Reply to: Re: A tense moment! posted by kari on May 10, 2002 at 17:52:41:

Kari you will be surprised what you can do if you have to. Most people I know wear gloves if they have to go in I do not (but I have to recomend it). The first thing I do is clip all my fingernails down to the finger tip, if you can't find clippers or there is no time bite them off. Sounds gross I know but fingernails are dirty. I use mineral oil for a lubricant if there is time, it is not water souluable and stays slippery longer. If the head is out take your hand(that you will insert), cup the head and follow down the neck, NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!! take that hand off the baby. This will be the way to tell that the leg you are trying to pull forward is the leg that belongs to the head and neck that is out. Once your hand is inside your THUMB should be on the kids shoulderblade and your FORE AND MIDDLE fingers should be just behind the elbow, your PINKEY AND RING fingers should be just under the elbow (esp. if the goat is a mini of some sort). Take your FORE AND MIDDLE fingers and slide them down just behind the elbow and pull. This should bring the knee up under your hand. Once the knee is under your hand your RING AND PINKEY finger can hook behind the knee while your other two fingers are pushing the elbow forward. Combined this should bring the leg out. Most times when the birth is this difficult I deliver at this point with only one leg out. It is harder on you and the doe but often times you are in a hurry. If you feel there is time repeat the steps above to get the other leg out. If not once the leg is pulled forward and you know it belongs to the head that is out. Take your free hand cup the kids head and neck, keep your inserted hand at the knee or elbow or someplace on the extended leg and pull. Chances are the doe will yell don't panic!!! I do short pulls you will be able to tell when the doe is pushing that is when you pull. It will not be easy (esp if the other leg is back) but if you stay calm most times it can be done. If you try and feel the baby is just to large try to get the other leg out or call a vet if you are just unsure. Once the shoulders have been passed the rest just slips out, again big babies may stillneed help. At this point I put the baby at the moms head and try to feel for another kid. Often they are back logged and will need help getting out. Sometimes they are tired from the contractions and to weak to get out or the doe is too tired to push well. IF you go all the way in to the do BE CAREFULL!!!!!!!! It is possible to rupture the uterus. DO NOT pull on anything that you do not know to be a baby. I always feel for the head first then the arm pit once I have that in my hand I pull. It is also best if you can have a second person around. MOST does are more than gratefull for the help and will not budge but if it is really a difficult birth than somebody petting the moms head seems to make them relax, even if they don't know the person. Ok now for my little disclaimer: I am not a vet and don't pretend to be I am a tech but not a licensed one. I have delivered all but two of my difficult births w/o assistance. The first one help was needed because I had no clue, the second the vet was comming out to check the doe because she was over due. I of course didn't check her the second I got home from work because the vet was due in an hour anyway. One baby was half out and died,she was huge. Because the doe was in distress and the kid was swollen (lack of oxegen) they vet had to help the doe out. I cannot stress enough that I am not a vet. However with no vet closeby I have learned how to do this, this is what works for me it may not work for others. Becarefull doing it and IF you have any questions CALL A VET. Good Luck

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