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Karey Vandermaarel
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Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 07:48 pm:   

Hi Maggie,

Candy is somewhat better but I am not concerned that she has been on the oxytet too long. It has been over a week now. She really cries after the injections is done. I am sure it burns. Should I stop giving it to her? Her eyes are still red where the white should be and milky in the centre. Otherwise she looks great. Could I give her oral oxytet? I can't change to the oral until Saturday at the earliest as I am not home right now. I have someone looking after her till then.

Also, do you recommend any goat vet books? I have been searching to a good one. I have 2 books but they are too basic now.

Thanks Maggie.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 09:42 am:   

Goats don't respond to a vaccine until they are at least 8 weeks old, they have to have an active immune system for a vaccine to work. Goats only begin to develop their own immune system at 8 to 10 weeks old. So vaccinating before then is pretty much useless and may use up the antibodies they got from their dam's colostrum. A vaccine works by stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies, which takes about 3 to 4 weeks, the actual vaccine doesn't give any protection at all. A vaccine is not effective until 3 to 4 weeks AFTER the injection and most vaccines need boostering once or twice and then another wait of 3 to 4 weeks for good protection.

I dehorn at 3 days to 2 weeks old, if they are older than that you may have already waited too long especially for bucklings. DO IT NOW! Castrating especially for pets can and should wait until later, 8 to 10 weeks minimun.

I don't worry about vaccinating when dehorning and neutering but I may give tetanus ANTITOXIN at that time. Antitoxin give immediate protection but only lasts about 4 weeks. Most vets have tetanus antitoxin. If the does were vaccinated anytime before kidding the kids will have some protection from the colostrum.
Maggie Leman
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Karey Vandermaarel
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Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 09:27 am:   

Thanks Maggie,

My concern for the vaccines is that I wanted to have the kids dehorned and boys neutered (with the elastics). The oldest is now 4 weeks. The youngest will be 1 week on Tuesday. Can I still wait? How long after vacinating them can I ddehorn and neuter?

THANKS AGAIN!!!!
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 08:43 am:   

It does sound like Candy is responding and getting better. You give the same oxytet dose by weight to the kids as you give to Candy, I believe it worked out to 1 cc per 15 pounds or so for the strength oxytet you have? Catching it this early you will probably see good results very quickly. I watch for goats that hold their eyes slightly squinted or have any tearing and start to treat right then, especially when I know I have at least one with pinkeye that was probably spreading it around before I noticed it...

For the Covexin 8 the dose for miniature goats no matter what age or size is 3 cc's for the first dose then booster in 3 to 6 weeks with 2 ccs.

Personally I wouldn't worry about vaccinating until you get back. Vaccines stress the immune system and if the kids are beginning to get pinkeye they need their immune systems to fight that.
Maggie Leman
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Karey Vandermaarel
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Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 07:39 am:   

<sigh>...Maggie, I now have a 4 week buckling who's eye us just starting to get foggy. You can barely see it but it is definately there. Most of the other kids have slightly crusty eyes too. I am concerned that this is the same thing Candy (the first nanny with kids and eye problems) has. I was going to vaccinate them all with Covexin 8 today. Should I instead give everyone a shot of oxytet to be on the safe side? If so, how much for kids? If I should go ahead with the Covexin 8 how much do I give the adults and kids? The packaging says for sheep give 4 cc then 2 cc booster. Is this for kids too. How long after do I booster? The reason I am so concerned is that I am supposed to be leaving on Tuesday for Kentucky (10 hourse from here) and I have someone coming to take care of the farm. I am afraid I will not be going.

Please advise as to what to do. Vaccinate or antibiotics.

Candy's eyes are not swollen anymore but still blind and red. I think that she actually looks a bit better.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 05:16 pm:   

If it is hot there her temp is fine. The motrin is not any easier on her than the banamine. SInce she is a dwarf goat her temp may be near normal, smaller goats tend to have higher body temps.
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Karey Vandermaarel
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 10:41 am:   

Good afternoon Maggie,

Candy still has very poor eyes. I think she is still blind. Otherwise, she seems fine. She is still nursing and the kids are great. We gave her her 4 cc of oxytet and .6 cc banamine last night. Tonight, what do I do? I don't think that I can give her anymore banamine right? It has been 4 days now. Can I give her childrens motrin instead? Is it easier on her than the banamine? Her temp seems to hang around 103.1 in the early day and 104 in the evenings when she is due for banamine. I was afraid not to give her any last night since her temp was up a bit.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:12 am:   

She doesn't need the motrin if she is getting banamine. Both are NSAIDS and carry the risk of cauing digestive ulcers. Don't give the banamine or any other NSAIDS type drug for more than 3 or 4 days. Since she probably had pinkeye for more than a week before you started treating it could be a week or more before you see much improvement.

If she is getting around, eating drinking and feeding the kids she is not in much pain.
Maggie Leman
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Karey Vandermaarel
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Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:48 am:   

Maggie,

How long do you think it may take to start seeing some kind of improvement? She still have horrible looking eyes. Otherwise, she is getting around okay for a blind girl. Her kids seem fine too. Last night we gave her 4 cc oxytet and .6 cc banamine and her eye ointment again. I have my horse vet coming this afternoon for my lame horse and she will look at her. She's probably the best vet around here for goats anyway as the rest of them don't specialize either.

Is there anything else I can do? Can I give her mortin throughout the day to help with the pain?
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 03:00 pm:   

Wait to vaccinate the sick doe. Her immune system has enough to handle right now.
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