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Chrystyna Corpron
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:30 am:   

Again, thank you so much, i'm so glad i found this place ! Thanks for the websites - i'll check them out. I will be leaving work in about 15 min, so i won't have internet access till Tue, but i'm hopeing tonight and tomorrow at least i can get to my mother's to check here and get more of this very helpful information (it's actually comforting for me as well).

So please, if anybody has anything to add post it and i will do my best to pull myself away for a while and check back here. Thank you all so much for being here :-)

Chrystyna~
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Elaine Elder
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:15 am:   

Check out this website
http://www.jackmauldin.com/diseases.htm
Maybe it can help.
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Elaine Elder
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 09:49 am:   

Sweetlix is just a brand of miniral supplement for goats. mineral mixes labeled for sheep AND goats will NOT contain adequate copper for goats. Most feeds do not have enough either. Just like we need a vitimin if we are not eating a perfect diet, our animals need that extra supplement, especially in winter when the forage is slim.
I have had several goats with Deer Parasites and 1 recently with Goat Polio, I think that is the selenium (sp)deficency, you are referring to. They acted really odd. Walking in Circles, Chewing, Staring up into the air (Stargazing). With the deer parasite they just curled up in a comatose ball and could not move. I had to aggressively dose with Vitimin B to get any result. I do not think Your goat has either of those problems. If yours is back to normal with no special treatment, she probably does not have any thing serious wrong with her. I think she just got a touch of hypothermia. I am not an expert. There is a lot of things I do not know about goats. I am sure Maggie will be on-line soon to tell you if you need to do anything else. Your goat may have something I don't know anything about. I would watch her. Keep her warm. Give her some Pedia Lite instead of water. I keep a bottle on hand just for the goats. If she starts wobbling, walking in circles, or other odd behavior, post it here and someone will help as soon as they can. also look at some of the 911 postings and see if your symptoms match what others have had problems with... And check back before you go home to see if Maggie has made a posting with any suggestions.
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Chrystyna Corpron
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 08:51 am:   

We just bought our place and are still in the process of cleaning it up, fixing it, builing, fencing, etc. So right now the goats are in a small woven wire pen, with no plants, and nothing toxic, just a jungle gym, and shelter, along with good hay and grain. They also get offered warm water 3 times per day, and each time the cold or icy water is emptied, so they always have some water, but also get it changed and warm 3 times per day.

With as barron as their pen is ( she has been in there since June ) there is no way she could have ate something other then her normal feed. Their new area is to be built this spring once the ground thaws.

Where do you get Goatlix ? will every feed store have one ? What about a selenium (sp)deficency problem ? Could that be causing it at all ?

Thanks again !

Chrystyna~
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Elaine Elder
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 08:29 am:   

Sorry, You have to cut and paste this link to get to the right place:
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex138?opendocument
Animals will eat poisonous plants if they are vitimin deficient.
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Elaine Elder
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 08:16 am:   

When they go down and stay down you have to really worry. I had two do everything you described, but it was late summer. They had gotten out and cleaned up every acorn on the ground around the barn. They looked like they were in labor. Next morning they were fine. Since it is cold, get a de-icer for the water. Most only kick on when it is below 32 degrees. Be safe with the electricity and follow the directions carefully, Don't want to shock any one. I know horses can colic from icy water. It also takes a lot of extra calories to warm up that cold water in the belly. Check for and get rid of moldy hay in your shelter. Get them a supplement block just for goats, like Goatlix. Did she get into any thing new in the last few days? Some plants are very toxic to horses, not so much to goats. One of my horses ate a Cedar tree and cost $500 in Vet bills. The goats got out and ate about $300 worth of petunias with no ill effects (The plants were still in the containers from the store). Here are a few links to what could cause problems if they eat the wrong thing. They will eat bad things in the winter out of boredom, nibble at things as a reflex, to comfort themselves if they are upset, or sometimes just curiosity.
http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=16
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex138?opendocument
http://netvet.wustl.edu/species/goats/goatpois.txt
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Chrystyna Corpron
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:47 am:   

Thank you !!!

Kelly - the idea of a pen in the basement has been mentioned by the hubby - the only thing is our basement creeps me out :-) It's got lots of spiders and is dark and smells like a basement - but is is warm and dry - well, as dry as a basement gets, but i could get a dehumidifier i suppose. If you think of anything else that you learned from keeping yours in the house please let me know - Thanks :-)

Elaine - She walks in a straight line, and will follow me around the kitchen, she is cordnated, but still slow and weak, but doesn't want to lay back down untill "she" wants to.

no teeth grinding at all, the only chewing she did was when she was eating. Yesterday/last night when she laid down she was flat on her side with her head/neck in about the same way a goat holds it when walking. This morning on - she will lay down normally on her knees and hold her head like any other goat, and be laying on her belly like normal.

All day yesterday was about 40, at night i belive around 28 - we have had a few colder days, and usually have real winters, just not really quite yet this year, but it's comeing - we live in northwestern WI, right by the nose of Lake Superior.

I do have a shelter for them, its about the size of a large dog house ( built it for my two, with room for 1 more as i'm looking at buying another Alpine doe ) its door is offset to help with the wind, and it's beded with straw, and facing south. Capri is the only one that has ever showed signs of being cold this winter ( went through last winter just fine )- so she has a waterproof, breathable, winter blanket she also wears all the time - which seemed to really help.

I remember when i was a kid, and any other goats i heard of going down like this, never made it - that really worries me, and i don't want to get my hopes up or let her suffer, but since she seems to be in no pain, and is making progress, WE WILL TRY ANYTHING.

Is there hope for her though ? She is 100% better compared to when i found her. But like i said i don't know much about CAE or Johne's either - but am still hopeing that isn't it - does it sound like it could be ? And is it possible that TLC can really make her better from this ? Thanks again !
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Elaine Elder
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:19 am:   

When she walks around, is it in a straight line or in circles? When she lays down is she curled up with her head close to her feet? Or does she lay down, with her head up, and chewing? Is she grinding her teeth? What is the temperature outside where you are at night? Do you have any shelter at all? They can survive without a proper barn but they do need at least a tarp strung across a rope between two trees like a tent. The cold winds usually come from the North. Put the side facing that way as a wind barrier. A three sided structure is better. Opening facing south. With just two, put them on a porch or in the garage when it is too cold out. A large dog house will work if they are both small enough to fit in it.
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Kelly Prystie (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:18 am:   

Hello Chrystyna! I bought a beautiful bred doe last winter off of a fellow who couldn't keep her because his barn wasn't properly insulated and didn't want her kidding in the cold. ( Where I am from -30 to -40 is common temp in the winter.) I bought her, brought her home and made a stall for her in the basement. I put straw on the floor to keep her comfy and changed it every 2 days because of the odor. Odor in the barn and odor in the house are 2 different things!! She did great and I kept her in for approximately 6 weeks till the weather lightened up...She gave birth to 2 beautiful kids about a week after we came home and they all did awesome. You just have to make a very strong pen...came home from work one day to find mine had broken out and completely destroyed my basement!!! It was well worth it for me to keep the 3 of them in the house cause I wanted to make sure that they would survive the winter. Good Luck.
Kelly
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Chrystyna Corpron
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 06:53 am:   

Yesterday when i got home from work and started doing my chores, as i was walking up to my goat pen i saw one of my two does down - she looked dead - untill her leg moved.Nobody was home yesterday, and the last time she was seen was about 7 am at breakfast time - didn't notice anything weird. But by the looks of her when i found her she had been there for a very long time.

She couldn't stand or lift her head and was VERY weak. I brought her into the garage, and started warming her, she was very thirsty ( they had plenty of water in their bucket as well ) so i gave her warm water w/honey and electrolites, and nutri-drench. Her temp was very low - 92.2 ( about 5:00pm), after i tryed warming her for a long time in our un-heated garage with not much progress, i brought her into the house( even though i was told not to do sudden temp changes- i was desperate). She had a huge appitite for water and food, but was so weak i had to hold her head, but she had no problem chewing or swallowing. Her temp came up to 97 at about 9:00pm. She started to kinda perk up a tiny bit since she had come in the house. I gave her plain oatmeal w/water, and probiotics.

She doesn't and didn't have any diarria(sp), infact her poo ( there wasn't much - a couple nuggets) was hard and the shape of a pop can. I also could not hear ruman sounds, she was not bloated - but not even the "normal" my tummy is working bloat. She always was semi-alert, baaing when she saw you, and talking to you, following me w/her eyes.

This morning, she had moved off her bed in the kitchen to about 3 feet away still on her side, but with a bit more life. I was told by the only person i have as a contact to get her on her feet and moving if possible and not stressfull for her - so i tryed standing her up and she didn't have a problem staying up - was slow, and weak, but not un-cordnatied, she walked around the kichen for about 5 min. peeed and pooped a tiny bit - went back to her bed and laid down - in a normal position. Then i woke my hubby up ( he took today off to stay with her ) and went to work.

I got a call from him about 7:30 am, and he said she got up by herself, pooped a lot, and peed a lot, then was walkin around more like her normal curious self, then after about 10 min. went back to her bed and laid down. So we aren't out of the woods yet, but she is making huge progress from when i found her yesterday after work.

Now, just to give you more info about her. She is a pet goat - she is not of high quality, Capri is 1/2 nubian and 1/2 saannan - and is a very runty, scrawny goat, very petite etc. I'd say she weighs about 40lbs, and she will be 2 in April 2007. She was a bottle baby, and is a very friendly girl that loves to go for car rides and come in the house and cuddle- and she actually likes the dogs and cats too. But she is not like my other goat, which is a big, vigerous, well bred Alpine ( she is to be our family milker-Gretta ). Capri also this year we have noticed doesn't like the cold - at all, where as Gretta loves it. So since we just bought our farm, and have TONS of work and build still to do, and don't yet have a barn, if Capri pulls through this, it looks like she may have to live in the house for winter - not sure of how this will work, but we are willing to do anything.

There are not many goats in our area at all(closest is a 25 min. drive, other then that at least an hour drive ), and i called every vet in the phone book - including my vets i use for my horses, none of them know much about goats, and none of them would come out, as they said it's really not worth it.I raised goats as a kid, but just in the last 1 1/2yrs. got back into them - thank goodness i do have one contact of a lady i borrowed the buck from for my Alpine doe, as she helped me a lot last night.

She also told me about many things that could possibly cause this , and two of them i'm new to and don't know a whole bunch about - CAE and Johne's ( sp )- I'm hopeing that when i have my horse gelded next week that my vet can test both my goats for these. Other then that the other things we came up with were basicly involed w/her ruman. BUT I WANT AS MANY OPIONIONS/IDEAS, THINGS TO TRY, POSSIBLITIES AND INFORMATON THAT I CAN GET - that is why i searched for a goat forum - and found you guys - i only have internet access at work, so i had to wait till this morning.

She is my baby, all of our animals are - we are willing to do anything that may help. Also, if any of you have experience with a goat in the house, please let me know if you have any pointers/ideas on that subject as well.

Sorry this is so long, and i hope i didn't miss anything - and Thank you for reading this plee.

Chrystyna~

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