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Lisa M Shively
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 06:21 pm:   

Hey everyone from the north (Ohio) what do you recomend for worming. I really like all these suggestions however like we all have mentioned in the past we have to use what works best for our area. We had a doe this spring that had bottle jaw and we used safeguard (I've realized not well recommended) and Ivermec and they helped but it came right back. Please let us know.
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Tristan Duke
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:29 pm:   

Thanks for your time Pam! Much appreciation!!
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Pam Martin (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:19 pm:   

Maggie is on vacation now and not available but I can give my opinion based on my experience. I have used Red Cell (for horses) on my goats and it is a good tonic, as is Geritol (for people). I have not personally used Geritol but have seen Maggie recommend both of these products. As for Safeguard wormer, I have no experience, as I have read many people including Maggie say that Safeguard has become ineffective due to resistance. I use Ivermectin which is safe for all goats, all ages, and I use Valbazen on any goats that ARE NOT PREGNANT. These both work well where I live in the deep South. Hope this helps.
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Lisa M Shively
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:22 am:   

Maggie, What wormer do you suggest for goats? We just bought the new Safeguard specifically for goats is this good or would you recommend something else?
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Tristan Duke
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 09:41 am:   

Maggie, I have been told to use Red-Cell (in the purple bottle) for anemia. Is this something you dont reccomend?
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 04:19 pm:   

If you have a vet call them and get her there right away. Does she have a fever? Can she stand up? Has she been eating, drinking? Is she bloated? Look at her lower inner eyelids, they should be deep rosy pink. If they are pale or white she is anemic, likely from worms.

Many dewormers are no longer effective such as Safeguard and Panacur. Most other dewormers must be given at 2 to 5 times the cattle or horse dose to do any good. Can you tell me what you used and how much you gave and how much the goat weighs?

She may now have either goat polio, listeriosis or enterotoxemia. These are from her digestive system not working right.
Maggie Leman
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jo L Lane (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 04:07 pm:   

I have a 3 year old boar goat, she is bred, wormed 2weeks ago and now she is lifeless,weak and drooling. I give her probios <1> daily. Any help would be greately appriciated. Jo
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Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser
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Post Number: 71
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 04:06 pm:   

Maggie,
Thank you for your detailed reply. We learned alot and now have a better understanding of what we are dealing with. What you said makes sense about bottle jaw and a more severe anemia occurring after deworming. Thank you!
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 01:29 pm:   

Yes frequent deworming can cause the worms to be very resistant. When was the last deworming, you said JUST dewormed her goats, does that mean 1 week ago? Three weeks? More? Goats that are already very anemic (and if they were white they were days away from dying) can become even more so with deworming. As the worms die and let go of the intestinal and stomach walls they leave behind hundreds of bleeding wounds. This is very likely what has happened to your friend's goats. Giving iron by injection may help more than giving iron orally. the gut may be too damaged to take up teh iron. You can use Ferrodex (an injectable iron supplement for pigs) and use the pig dosage.

Goats with severe worms and the resulting anemia can take 2 to 6 months to fully recover. It takes a HEALTHY HUMAN nearly 2 months to replace the red blood cells lost from giving a pint of blood and they aren't considered anemic at that point.

If the goats are not getting adequate copper in their diets no amount of deworming is likely to help. They also need copper to be able to absorb iron to make red blood cells.

In 2 to 3 weeks have a fecal exam done to see if the goats are still infected. COntinue giving the geritol, and probios. Stop giving the biomycin, you are hurting the digestive microbes unnecessarily. Only give antibiotics if the goat has a BACTERIAL infection. Any other time it is USELESS or WORSE.
Maggie Leman
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Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser
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Post Number: 70
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 01:14 pm:   

A friend has just wormed her goats and several have developed anemia and bottle jaw after worming. We've given them geritol, biomycin, A&D, and probios every day for the last week. The one goat is getting worse, bottle jaw swelling has increased. The others are showing no changes. Eyelids continue to be white. We just rewormed again yesterday.
Does frequent worming cause anemia/ problems?
Any suggestions on what to do?

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