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Ainslee Cara Love
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 04-2006
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Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 02:02 pm:   

Thank you Cheryl, i'll do that. It's starting to look a little more clear now that something might be wrong with our does. Last season we lost I think ten of 25 within the first couple weeks of being born. I guess we need to start using the meds you said. Also, the first one and the second one both aborted at different periods in their pregnancy, way different. The first looked about the size of my hand, no fur, no eyes, barely even had legs. We thought it was a dead, defeathered bird til we looked closer and realized, we have no chickens or any other birds so that probably wasn't it. :o) The second looked fully developed except for their size. Mom was filling with milk and everything. Can these still be considered similar cases? Last but not least, is it possible that the doe aborted one but kept another? The one that did it first showed that it was her that aborted, but I never found a placenta or anything, just a really dirty tail. Anyways, she's been getting fatter since then. Is it possible she could only abort one? Or is it all or nothing?
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Cheryl Hayward
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 10-2006
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Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 10:34 am:   

Hi,
You need to disenfect the area where your does aborted the kids,and any other spot where the placenta may have been, this will help stop other does from getting infected if it is indeed chlmydia. You can use a solution of bleach and water. Make sure you either burn the placenta and aborted fetuses or bury them very deep. Chlmydia is in the placentas and anything that comes incontact with them can get it, even you, so be careful!
My friend had an abortion storm, it was not pretty she ended up losing all but 2 of her 40 kids, they were either born dead or very weak and died.
You can vaccinate your does every 40 days with tetracycline 5 cc per 100 pounds, given SQ over the ribs. This will help stop abortions, no matter what is causing them.

Cheryl
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Chrystyna Corpron
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 198.203.175.175

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Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 05:49 am:   

Ainslee - Thanks, i've always liked the spelling too, except for when i'm in a hurry i sometimes spell my own name wrong :-)

And thanks every one for answering my question - they are only indoor cats, and the litterbox is out of reach from my goatie, i don't think it's even close enough for her to breath any in either - so thats good to know. It took me a while to put two and two together that toxoplasmosis is the same reason they tell preggo women to not go near litterboxes.

Thanks everybody - and Ainslee - hopefully the rest of your girls deliver healthy full term kids :-)
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Pam Martin
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Registered: 11-2006
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 05:35 pm:   

I had two does abort/miscarry back in October. I was scared I might have something like chlamydia going on since the only other thing I could credit it to was Bo-se injections that I had given to them...one aborted the next day and one a week later. I did not give any of my other pregnant does Bo-se injections a month before their due date. No other doe aborted. I had given Bo-se to all my pregnant does the previous year and one of these same two does aborted then two weeks later. My problem it seems is I am borderline deficient in selenium. You mentioned you didn't know if your dad had vaccinated any prior to delivery. I would be interested to know if he had used Bo-se. Our vet school ruminant specialist told me she knew of cases similar to mine that resulted from Bo-se injections. I realize many breeders give Bo-se with no ill effects. Just a thought...good luck, I hope that is the last to abort...
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Maggie Leman
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Post Number: 1771
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 02:29 pm:   

You probably don't have anything to worry about with your cats. It is usually from the cats using the stored bales of hay as a litter box and passing the protazoan that way. There is no effective treatment for toxoplasmosis, most goats eventually develop their own immunity and go on to successfully have kids the next year.

The oxytet is usally very effective at stopping an "abortion storm" caused by chlamydia. I hope your cases where just isolated instances. But if the worst should happen try to get the aborted fetuses and placentas to a vet orstate lab for diagnosis.
Maggie Leman
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Ainslee Cara Love
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Post Number: 38
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 02:19 pm:   

Thanks Chrystyna! Love the spelling by the way. ;o) My brother and his wife have a cat and a baby on the way, so they have the same issue. Their vet said if they're ONLY inside cats, and you keep them up to date on wormer and stuff you should be fine. He also said it comes from the dust when the litter is cleaned, or by other animals eating the poop. So as long as the box is where the goat can't eat anything out of it and you clean it somewhere else I bet you would be fine. Good luck to your little goat!

And thank you for the info Maggie. I hope the medicine works. We have too many due to keep losing them. I don't think it's copper deficiency. They have a free fed mineral that has extra copper in it. I can't remember how much, but I;ve used it for over a year and started buying it because I actually checked out the copper amounts. Again, I hope the meds work. Thanks again!!
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Chrystyna Corpron
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Post Number: 31
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 12:09 pm:   

I have a question about toxoplasmosis - since i have my little goat in the house ( well basement ) recovering right now, and well we have two indoor cats, and their litter box is in the basement as well, should i be concerned about this when i put my goat back in with the two bred does i have ( when she is better ) ?

What do you treat it with ?

Ainslee - i hope you figure out what is causing this and don't have anymore that abort, i'll send healthy kid vibes your way :-)

Chrystyna~
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Maggie Leman
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Post Number: 1766
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 11:06 am:   

It is too late to vaccinate for chlamydia but you can give oxytetracycline (LA 200 or the equivalent) at 1 cc per 30 pounds every other day for 3 injections to all of the pregnant does and the bucks (this is a sexually transmitted infection...). If it is chlamydia this may very well stop it.

Other causes of late term aboriton can be toxoplasmosis, an infection by a one celled parasite often carried by cats, selenium or copper deficiency.
Maggie Leman
Goat 911 Capri Medic
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Ainslee Cara Love
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 04-2006
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Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 07:08 am:   

I'm just a little scared to post this, seeing as how the last time I asked a question i started a big fight between people. But, I have a problem and I guess that's just a risk I'll have to take for the sake of my goats. We have had two does abort in the last two months and don't know why. One was aborted early, the fetus was tiny, no fur, no eyes, etc. The second was yesterday. I found twins in the barn uncleaned but developed. They didn't look like their eyes were all the way open yet, but they had fur, just still kind of small so I'm guessing she was close. This one was my dad's and I don't think he gave any vaccinations at 30 days prior to delivery. We have another one of his that is due in 11 days and I'm afraid something will happen to her to. I don't know if they could have clamydia (sp?) or if our donkey could have done it. She's gotten real protective of her food lately and kicks without warning at anyone close to her food. I don't think it was another goat because this one is probably close to head of the herd. Is it too late to vaccinate the one due for clamydia? If so is there anything I can do to help her not have an abortion? And what about the other pregnant ones in our herd? Any help on this is appreciated!

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