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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 12:06 pm:   

Normally it takes about an hour. But after a c section it can take a day or so. If the placenta hasn't deteriorated too much you can tie a water filled latex glove to it to help it pass. Sounds like she is doing fine considering. Keep her on the calcium for a couple more days, can't hurt.

Even if the whole thing doesn't pass soon, just keep her on antibiotics for 5 to 7 days. The remaining tissue will liquify and pass with the normal after birthing discharge (called lochia).

Cute kids but they have boer in them too (those ears and the color...) And about the size of normal pygmy kid, especially quads. My pygmy kids go from about 2 pounds (small) to 4 pounds (pretty big). My largest kid has been 4 pounds 10 ounces.
Maggie Leman
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Tina Gosnell
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Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 09:33 am:   

How long does it take for the placenta to pass? The c-section was 4/5 at 8pm, its been 40 hours. The placenta is still coming out, it appears that about 1/2 of the placenta is visible - not much change from last night around 11pm. She is up and walking around, eating her feed, browsing, and drinking plenty of water this morning. She still walks with little step and back hooves close together, her pelvis/hips are still creaking.
I feel so bad for her.

Babies 1, 2, 3

Baby 4

They are so adorable & sooooo tiny! All 4 babies a doing well.

Thanks!
Tina
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 08:41 am:   

You can't strip the placenta from the uterus wall during a c section. The uterus is only opened enough to extract the kid, and just like with a regular birth the placenta doesn't separate from the uterus wall until AFTER birth is done. The surgeon wants to go in get the kid out and close up teh doe as quickly as possible.

Get some banamine from the vet for the doe. The motrin is only just so effective. And any drugs she is getting even if it is excreted in the milk some won't be enough to hurt the kids. Let her out to walk around some too it will help her to feel better if she moves around some.

It is unlikely she will produce enough milk to feed 4 kids. Be prepared with milk replacer. there is a good recipe on the articles page under Kids and Kidding.
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Tina Gosnell
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Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 09:43 pm:   

Mom was milked by the vet staff and babies were all given colostrum. I milked her this evening and am feeding the kids her colostrum.

When a c-section is done, shouldn't the placenta be removed? Mom goat is passing the placenta now, slowly but it coming out. She is so miserable. If I give her childrens liquid ibuprofen for discomfort will it get into the milk & affect the kids if they drink it?

Also when she walks or moves a certain way, her pelvis/hips creak. Is this just the pelvis moving back into place after spreading and is this normal?

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Tina
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Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:25 pm:   

Tina
I might add if your vet knows of someone in your area that raises goats and if you could arrange to speak with them to see if you could possible purchase some extra milk for at least the first couple weeks and then mix it with the supplement fomular on the article's page. There's a lot of people this time of the year that might possibly have some extra milk from their milking does that might possibly be able to help. Start by asking you vet, it might just pay off. Sandy
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:07 pm:   

It is very common in c sections especially first timers and with pregnancy toxemia she likely doesn't have much milk.

Hopefully they all got colostrum. There is a very good homemade milk replacer recipe on the Articles page under Kids and kidding. I feed newborns at least 4 times a day hopefully about 6 or more times for the first week to 10 days. This comes close to what mom would do. Then they can go to at least 3 times but better is 4-5 times a day, first thing in the morning, late morning an/or mid afternoon, evening, and last thing at night (as close to 4 to 6 hours apart as you can get) until they are 6 to 8 weeks old when they should be eating a good bit of quality hay, doing some browsing and grazing and eating some grain. At about 6 weeks old I might not give them all they want to encourage them eating solid food. At 10 weeks old I cut out a feeding (and may further cut the amount fed if they are eating well). At 12 weeks I am down to twice a day and I wean at week 16 by cutting back to one small feeding a day then just stopping altogether.

Do not wean by giving water in the bottle, they just drink like it is milk, not really tasting it. Too much water can cause a blood chemistry imbalance. It is the bottle you are weaning them from not milk.

I try to feed in a pattern that is as much like dam raised as possible. Many large producers start right out with 2 or 3 times a day but this is not really natural, but works for most kids. Smaller meals more often is the way nature intended.

My bottle kids live with the herd to learn from watching the adults from the time they are a couple of days old (okay I might bring them in at night for convenience for the first week....). Leave them with their mother if that is all the herd they have. She can go out with the herd too. No need to keep her locked up, it is better if she walks around and acts like a real goat.
Maggie Leman
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Tina Gosnell
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Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   

They will all be bottle babies, Mom has rejected them. Is that common with c-sections since the initial bonding is interupted?

Bottle feeding kids is NEW to me, so any info, comments, suggestions, or help is GREATLY appreciated!

Mom was treated for pregnancy toxemia and is doing well. All four kids are well also. They all will be coming home this evening.

Thanks!
Tina

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