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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 06:52 pm:   

It is possible she has coccidiosis, but most adult goats have a good immunity to coccidia. Take a fecal sample to the vet to check.

I would say treat for milk fever, they go down with that. Give CMPK to replace the lost calcium. Here is a good article about hypocalcemia, the real name for milk fever: http://kinne.net/hypocal2.htm

She may have polio, so give Vitamin B1. You can use Fortified B Complex at 1 cc per 20 pounds by SQ injection every 4 to 6 hours for the first day then 2 or 3 times a day for another week.

She could be fighting enterotoxemia. This often causes diarrhea, abdominal pain and neurological signs like being down, stargazing, pulling the head to one side. Did her diet change just before this started? Put out an old bale of hay? Suddenly start feeding grain, change feeds, gave more grain?

Have you taken her temperature? Could she have mastitis?

Frankly the feed and minerals from Tractor Supply are not of very good quality. They don't have enough copper for goats, especially nubians and boers too. These 2 breeds semm to need more. I believe that the minerals are labeled for sheep and goats so they will be VERY low in copper. Are these the feed and minerals that you use?
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Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 08:52 pm:   

Would you say she is mineral deficient or has worms.. Is it possible she has coccidiosis?? She is very reluctent to stand. She is very weak.
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Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:17 am:   

It is safe to deworm the whole herd. If the eyelids have never been deep rosy pink then the worms have never been under control. I doubt from being in the pen with the sick goat over night will cause her to get worms.

The husbandry needs for meat goats and dairy goats is very different. It could be your dairy goat is individually more susceptible to worms and mineral deficiency. She puts out ALOT of minerals when lactating, way more than boers.
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Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:27 am:   

Last night sometime, one of the other goats leaped over a 6 ft fence and is now in the same pen with my nubian. She has developed diarrhea. I wormed her with 5cc. of Ivermectin. She is still active and pink eyelids. I have seperated her into another pen. Any further suggestions on her treatment?? She is only showing signs of diarrhea... Is it safe to reworm the entire herd? Since I just wormed them 4 wks ago??
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Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 08:42 am:   

My goat weighs about 80-100 lbs. She was underweight when we got her. Our vet instructed us to give the ivermectin IM or SQ. He said it is the best way to receive the drug immediately. They are pinkish but they are always like this. They have never been dark rosy. I just starting using Ivermectin. They can't be immune to this already. Before I used a pellet formula from Tractor Supply Company. They had pasture mineral, but the label does not recommend to feed it with grain.. Due to the selenium overload. I usually have the most problems with my nubian. I never have any problems out of my boer goats.. Are nubians more susceptible to worms or diseases???
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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   

You only gave enough ivermectin for an 80 to 100 pound goat. She likely weighs more than that (or she did). Did you give it orally? That is usually the recommendation. You haven't said what color her inner eyelids are. If her eye membranes are still pale then it could also be that ivermectin isn't working for your goats anymore. You can switch to cydectin at twice the cattle dose by weight given orally. You should probably give the Nutridrench once daily, you can mix up a batch of Magic (1 part molasses, 1 part vegetable oil, and 2 parts karo syrup mixed with a little warm water to thin it some) and give her that once or twice a day for energy. Give the thiamin more often, every 4 to 6 hours for the first 24 hours in case she is down with a case of polio. You might also give CMPK (a mineral supplement used to treat milk fever or hypocalcemia). Does can get hypocalcemic and develop milk fever at any time during lactation. Does she have access to a good loose mineral mix all the time?

She shouldn't have gone down like this but does can get quite thin when nursing. They require a much higher plane of nutrition than they had when pregnant. Once the kids are on the ground the doe truly is eating for more than one or two or three...

It is best for the doe and the kids if you give the yearly CDT booster 4 to 6 weeks before she kids. This boosts the antibodies in the colostrum and protects the kids too.
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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:26 pm:   

I wormed her with 4cc Ivamectin Injectable for cattle. Her diarrhea was gone this afternoon. It had a scant amount(string like)of mucous, but very small amount. It is starting to take form again. I gave her a shot of Vit. B 12 and Thiamin. She is starting to try and stand on her own but is still very weak. Should I drench her twice daily? Could the twins gotten her down like this. They were still nursing.
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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   

I wormed her with 4cc Ivamectin Injectable for cattle. Her diarrhea was gone this afternoon. It had a scant amount(string like)of mucous, but very small amount. It is starting to take form again. I gave her a shot of Vit. B 12 and Thiamin. She is starting to try and stand on her own but is still very weak. Should I drench her twice daily? Could the twins gotten her down like this. They were still nursing.
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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:12 pm:   

What did you deworm with and how much did you give? Many dewormers do not work anymore and most need to be given at 2 to 5 times the cattle or horse dose by weight. Look at her lower inner eyelids, they should be deep rosy to salmon pink. If they are pale pink or white she is anemic from worms. The Scour Halt won't stop the diarrhea if it is caused by worms (most likely cause), it only works in cases of e coli and salmonella, but it is certainly worth a shot. Keep giving the nutridrench and offer electrolyte water along with plain water. Also give a probiotic or yogurt (2 to 3 tablespoons) to replenish the digestive microbes she is losing.

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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:28 am:   

I have a 2 1/2 yr old nubian. She delivered twins on June 21. In the past couple of weeks she has lost a tremendous amount of weight and developed diarrhea yesterday. I have pinned her up away from the babies and our buck (who was trying to breed her). I have her on grain and hay. I gave her scour halt to stop the diarrhea and nurtridrench to restore the nurtrients and minerals she has lost. I wormed her 4weeks ago and gave her CD&T vaccine. What else can I do?? She is skin and bones. And weak.. Please help..

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