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     tuckeraccess (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 67.77.78.146 Rating: N/A |
Thank you, I wasn't sure what it exactly was. This will be our first year to have kids. This is my boyfriend and is fathers little adventure. But since we started with goats we have not been to successful. I bought three full blooded registered boer goats and 2 of them died because of parasites which attached themselves to the walls of their intestines and even though we were worming every ten days. the thing that saved the last one was 5 doses of seperate wormers, an iron supplement, and some shot, I forget at the moment what is was. It was very devastating financilly and well emotionally because I was attached. Thanks, Christina p.s. If anyone has anything they could recommend to do or to have for our first kidding season, I would appreciate it. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1573 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105  Rating: |
BoSe is an injectable selenium and vitamin e supplement available by prescription from your vet. Many areas of the country are very selenium deficient. Selenium deficiency can cause white muscle disease, a potentially fatal condition. It also can cause fertility and kidding problems, retained placenta. CD antitoxin is an artificial antibody-type injectable given for short term but immediate protection or treatment of enterotoxemia caused by clostridium types C or D. Unlike a vaccine (the toxoid) it is effective for newborns because it acts like a natural antibody and doesn't need to stimulate the production of antibodies to be effective. A vaccine (properly called a toxoid) is only a stimulant, it offers no protection in and of itself. It is given to a goat (or other animal or human) to stimulate the immune system to produce the antibodies that gives disease protection. This takes about 3 to 4 weeks and may take a series of boosters for good protection. A goat DOES NOT have an active functioning immune system until it is 10 to 12 weeks old. It gets disease protection from the antibodies it absorbs from the doe's colostrum. Giving a vaccine before that age is minimally effective. But you can give the antitoxin and give the kid about 2 to 4 weeks of protection before having to give it again (if necessary). This is mostly done in herds where the does may be unvaccinated and therefore not passing along those antibodies in the colostrum or to give added protection in herds where enterotoxemia is a problem in very young kids. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 67.77.78.146 Rating: N/A |
Can someone tell me what Bo Se is? And We are new to the goat world and are going to have several Boer babies this early spring. Also What is this C&D Antioxin? Are you talking about CDT that is given at a few weeks | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.168.148.187 Rating: N/A |
Pam, No I haven't given BoSe. Thank you for the suggestion, I'll begin doing this. When do you give the BoSe to pregnant does? I have given our little ones some gel if their hind end is weak. | ||
| Pam Martin (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 67.72.98.103 Rating: N/A |
I am just curious whether you give Bo-Se regularly to your does or newborns. I'm still working on figuring out this problem myself.I was having similar problems with newborns passing blood/clot streaked poop and not nursing properly and tiny bo-se injections stopped my problem I believe. That is all I have done differently. Not all kids get the injections just those who look gaunt and don't nurse well. That stopped the progression to bloody poop. So I wondered if this kid or his dam had had additional selenium/vit E. | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.168.148.172 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, it breaks my heart to lose one of these sweet little babes. thanks. When I saw him the day after he was born, he was lying in a corner and his hunches were so sunken in. His sister on the other hand was active and her sides were chubby. I had suspected that he couldn't nurse due to his long long legs and that his mother's udder was so low (only inches from the ground). He did take a bottle of Mom's milk from me, but only a few ounces in the morning and again in the afternoon. Maggie again thank you. You give so much of your time to help. You are a blessing! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1570 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
He may have been injured in the birth process and with his gut becoming active and moving it got worse. Sorry for your loss, this happens sometimes. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.168.148.134 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, thank you. I took him to the vet first thing this morning. He was running a temp, was septic. She found that his intestine was torn. Feeling that he could not manage surgery to repair, I had him put to sleep. I just don't understand. His stool was fine and then the clots began to show up and then steadily increased in amount of clotted blood in a matter of hours. What did I do wrong? I gave him Mom's milk. Did I give him too much? Please give me some ideas, I don't want this to happen again because of my care. Thanks | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1568 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Does he have a fever? Is he eating? How was his birth? Did you have to pull him? I would give the antitoxin every 4 to 6 hours and start him on pencillin giving a dose orally and one by injection for the first dose. I believe teh dose for the antitoxin when using it to treat possible entero is at least double the preventative dose. You can't overdose so be generous. Kaopectin won't help bloody stool, and if he has entero you don't want to stop the diarrhea at this point either. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.168.148.190 Rating: N/A |
I have a three day old who I have had to bottle feed using his mother's milk. He very long legged and mother's udder is low to the ground. He was not nursing and so I milked mother and fed him by bottle. He actively sucked early evening. He took only a small amount around 10PM. Was doing fairly well, getting stronger on his legs and standing, until around 2AM this morning when he began to pass blood clots in his yellow stool. I gave him 1 ccc C&D antitoxin just in case he was starting on entertoxemia. He has had stool about every 2 hours with bits of clotted blood in yellow stool. 6:30AM more clots of blood in the stool. I gave him 2 ccs of kaopectin. Please advise! |
