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     Linda Houle Moderator Username: lindahoule Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2005  Rating: N/A |
Is there any connection between goats getting sore mouth and copper/selenium defiency?? Where does Colorado stand with copper? is there enough in the soil or should I be supplementing?? If so with what? Thank you Linda Houles ranch Buena Vista Colorado up in the clouds 8500 feet above sea level | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: |
Your area is listed as variable, as is mine here in NC. You can have your goats blood tested for levels (or a few of them a representative number), that is what I do once yearly. I suspect at your altitude that the soil, what there is, is very rocky and thin and deficient. Even with supplementing with a mineral as high in selenium as I can get my goats are low normal to just below normal, so I have decided I need to give BoSe shots twice a year as I am still seeing some signs that some newborn kids may be deficient. What is more important than the soil under your goat's feet is the soils where your goat's feed is grown. Both copper and selenium are trace minerals found in very small amounts in the soil. If the land has been farmed (hay grown grain harvested from this land) for many years, even wiht fertilization, which doesn't replace the trace minerals it is possible the feeds are deficient. I do not believe there is any real correlation between goats getting soremouth specifically and a mineral deficiency. Ther probably is a correlation between how fast they heal and how well they fend off secondary infections with having adequate mineral levels. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
maggie, I moved from the emergency board. yes they do have loose minerial. I will be worming this weekend. I was told from the vet, to use Ivermec for sheep in Oct, Jan and use strongid T April, July. he said that four time a year for here (Ne Ohio) is good because I never take them any where and if I get a new one I worm them as soon as I get them. the goat I am talking about is a 10yr old doe, Nubian,117# and has never been breed. and till when I got her at the age of 9, she was feed horse food and kept in a dog cage like a dog, for a boy that lives in the city. she mons and grons like an old lady or old man with aurtheritis.. for hay I buy 1100# bales of fist cutting from this area, and I buy 90# bales for in the barn for when it rains, and they don't like to get out of the barn. even the large bales are under roof to keep them dry. she never had a shot or any worming till I got her. they gave her to me to let her die happy with other goat. she wouldn't eat grass or hay for months just horse food because they never bought it for her. Thanks | ||
| kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
to add to the last post I did I give her Bo-se shots 3cc we are low here | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Probably not but proper supplementation may help prevent secondary infections and may make a case of soremouth less severe. At the altitude where you are and with the rocky soil I would bet you are deficient in most trace minerals. The best way to know is to blood test a representative population from your herd for selenium, copper, zinc, etc levels. I do this yearly when I am having my disease testing done. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 101 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Kenneth, You need to use double the sheep dose of the ivermectin and quadruple the Strongid T dose for either of these to be effective for goats (from The Veterinary Drug Handbook, Fourth Edition). Try giving a probiotic for a few days to to boost her digestive microbes. If you have been underdosing these two dewormers for a while you have resistant parasites and may need to change drugs. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Hi when I took her stool sample in he checked and she had a heavy load whip worm,neotoads, strongles he told me to get rotation 2 or strongid T that they are the same and give 18cc of this and reworm in ten days and she would be fine the give her Ivermectin in October. I am not a medicine person it is really exspencive a bottle of red cell and Ivermectine for sheep was $75 plus the vet bill $40 and the test was $16 I would like to get her fixed and healthy I was told she could live another ten yrs. if I can straightn her out. I can under stand why the people would think she was dieing. all her bons show. thank you | ||
| kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
I have looked at the tractor supply store and can't get the kind of loose mineral that you told me. I asked if they could order it and they said that this is all they carry.*Equine micro 100* with zinc-5,300ppm,copper-1,000min 1,600max selenium-14ppm, mag-5,300------or--- *American mineral* zinc-4000ppm copper-260min, 360max, selenium -0-, mag- 1200ppm, these are all for horses. the goat mineral is lower and the pasture mineral is lower. both about 500ppm copper and 1000 zinc, 20 selenium, no mag. people here in canton ohio think that I stupid for asking about this. most around here have horses. I do to , but I like the pygmys. I did start the nubian goat, that wouldn't gain weigth on a wet grain mix like you said and I added a hand full of wet beet pulp too, she eats like a pigglet. kind of looks like one too after she is done. all over her face. I did look, and she does need her teeth filed down. they look like a horses tooth after years of chomping, with points on the outer edge. I called the vet but he threw his back out , so I have to wait. there is a southern states about four hours away and the farm and fleets went out. tractor supply it the only one that I know of now.is there any other places? thank you, Ken | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 147 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I would go with the equine micro 100, the American mineral is way too low in copper. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic |
