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     Brenda O'Dell Junior Member Username: brendaodell Post Number: 16 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 75.105.188.106 Rating: N/A |
The kids were actually breech - they came out butt first. The nanny and the kids are doing well. She is a great nanny and very attentive - once she recovered from the birthing experience. I did give the kids 1/2cc of BoSe today and 1cc of CMPK. They are quite small..one weighs 4 lbs. and the other weighs about 3 lbs. They are now standing on all 4 legs and moving around fairly well. Fortunately for them, their nanny's teats are very low - large milk bag so they could nurse while on their bellies. The nanny acutally had triplets but the first one was born dead. I'm grateful that these two survived. Thanks for your help. Brenda | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1740 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73  Rating: N/A |
OOOWW, Yowie, your poor mom! Bet that was no fun for either of you. Anyway, if you are attending a birth and notice the kid is coming rear legs first, help out and pull the kid quickly. Sometimes a doe will relax when the kid's hips come through the cervix. In this position the umbilical cord is being compressed, the kid becomes oxygen starved adn takes a breath while having it's head still inside the doe. As you can see they would easily drown that way. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Cheryl Hayward New member Username: calliescomet Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.0.132.97 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Maggie, that is what I was meaning a posterior presentation. You would think I would know what breech is being I was born that way, lol.. | ||
| Paul Gooden New member Username: paullis Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 67.142.130.19 Rating: N/A |
We have had hind feet first also and I might suggest massaging the fronts of the hind legs. Sometimes you may notice that these kids have a tendency to kick their rear legs straight out which makes it difficult for them to stand, push and nurse. Hold the kid up by its hind legs with front feet on the floor, almost vertical. Massage the fronts and backs of the hind legs. You will then notice that it will pull its hind legs in to a more natural standing position. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1736 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
A true breech birth is when kids are presented to the cervix BUTT first. The birth presentation I believe we are all talking about is called a posterior presentation, where the rear legs are presented first instead of the slightly more common, anterior presentation where the front legs and nose are presented first. A posterior presentation is considered to be entirely normal. So long as the kids are born quickly, so that when the cord breaks or is pinched off at the pelvic brim the kid slides on put to take his first breath in the air, everything usually turns out fine. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Cheryl Hayward New member Username: calliescomet Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 169.204.229.54 Rating: N/A |
Hi, Sounds to me that they need 1/2 cc of BoSe, you can give this orally under the tongue. It can take up to 1 week to see results though. I normally see results with 2 days. I have had quite a few kids born breech, they have all turned out to be nice kids, they aren't necesarily weak from being born breech. I have also had breech kids come out before that were trying to get up before they were even out of the sack all the way. Cheryl CPR Boer Goats 34 Strong and Growing | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141 Rating: N/A |
Also may want to give mom some probios, Nutri drench, maybe even a little vitamin B. She may need some pick me up attention. | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141 Rating: N/A |
I always give B complex... This website has a similar story http://www.motesclearcreekfarms.com/asp/articles/Weak-Kid-2.asp quote from website: ... 12 cc of dextrose - 4 more should his temperature drop below 100. 1/2 cc BoSe and 3-days worth of .10 cc excenel. Neutra-Drench and Probios also... I don't know what excenel is but the rest looks like it would help. | ||
| Brenda O'Dell Junior Member Username: brendaodell Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 75.105.188.106 Rating: N/A |
My doe gave birth to twins today...both were breech. I wasn't able to turn them because quite frankly I didn't know how or what to do. I assisted after they were born. But the problem is that both kids' front legs are extremely weak...they scoot around on their bellies. I'm concerned that because they can't hold themselves upright, they are more likely to get pneumonia. I read about giving CMPK and Fortified B Complex to weak kids...what do you recommend. They were born at 1:00pm today and the nanny is nursing. The kids are sucking - but it also is weak. Fortunately for the kids, the nannies teats are very low to the ground so they can nurse while lying down. |