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     sandi New member Username: sandivan Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 207.170.222.180 Rating: N/A |
I had 2 last year doing the same thing. I gave them goat drench and you would be amazed how they got there springs! Now i give it to all my babies to get them started off on the right foot. | ||
| Don S. New member Username: don_s Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 205.188.116.137  Rating: N/A |
RUMEN Microbes vs. INTESTINAL Microbes I want to expand on this a bit to have a better understanding of the use of probiotics. Since the rumen microbes are more fragile, are they the first and most to die off when antibiotics are used? Does sulpher drugs and Corid destroy any of these microbes? Seems like oral deworming would kill off the good microbes, but I never seen any recommendation to followup with a probiotic. We mainly think of probiotics as an aid in a treatment situation but are you saying that there would be a benefit giving a probiotic as a preventative say to pre-yearling kids that are most susceptible to coccidiosis? How do the rumen microbes get replenished since probiotics only introduce intestinal type? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1804 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73  Rating: |
To dispel a misconception about probios, or any probiotic or yogurt. It DOES NOT replace or replenish the RUMEN microbes. Rumen microbes are anaerobic, very delicate, and don't live for long outside the rumen, seconds or maybe minutes at the most. So a paste can not contain these microbes. On the other hand the vital microbes that live in the small and large intestines are not anaerobic and are hardy enough so they can be put into a paste, liquid or powder. It is the INTESTINAL microbes that probiotics replace, not rumen microbes. Both kinds of microbes are very important to a goat's ability to digest. You also want plenty of good intestinal microbes to crowd out harmful microbes like clostridium types that cause enterotoxemia. In reality it is the microbes of the intestine that really finish the job the microbes in the rumen start. They work together, both are vital. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1803 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Kids bounce back very quickly. Elaine's suggestion of some B complex injectable, follow the directions for sheep if it doesn't give a dose for goats may help too. I don't think you need to give enough to treat for polio, just the recommended dosage on the bottle. It promotes good nerve function and sooths the digestive tract. Probios too is a good idea. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 72.146.185.221 Rating: N/A |
You are right, Maggie. These little guys are very potbellied. One is worse than the other. I compared them with my other babies who are older. I didn't realize there was so much difference in them. I feel so awful. I should have noticed their bellies were swollen. We have wormed them with Ivermectin and begun treatment for the coccidia. I hope they will be alright. I'm just sick that I let them get in this shape. We are still learning. I appreciate your help, so much. Lisa | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1802 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
The clumpy stool is a sign of worms and no kid should look potbellied, especially a dairy type. treat for both coccidia and worms. If you use Ivermectin injectable used orally that would be 1 cc per 25 to 30 pounds. Kids with coccidia will continue to eat, kids with worms may go off feed. The standing is to keep pressure off the abdomen because it hurts. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Lisa McCord New member Username: lisa_mac Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 72.146.185.221 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, They were, both, wormed before I bought them, on 12-17, with Ivomec. I don't know the dosage, though. Should I go ahead and worm them, again? I'll check their eyelids. I'll check their temps., again, too. They do look potbellied, as you said, but, most of the Nigerians do so it's hard to say. As for their feces, one is dropping pellets, the other looks more like dog droppings. They are, both, eating this morning. Like I said, I'm concerned because they are not acting like normal babies. They should be running and playing and all they do is eat and stand. Should I treat for coccidia or just worm them, again? I appreciate your help. Lisa | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.162.57  Rating: N/A |
http://fiascofarm.com/goats/kid-care.htm Check here for some good tips in general. Maggie, would some Probios be good to get Rumen going? What do you think about Vitamin B to keep them from getting polio from them being off feed? Elaine ee@andprinting.com | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1801 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Feces normal? Check the mucus membranes of the lower inner eyelids, it should be deep pinkish red. If it is pale this could be worms. It can also be a bout of coccidia. Do they look slightly potbellied but feel a little thin everywhere else? Treat coccidia by giving a sulfa drug like Albon or Sulmet 12.5% drinking water solution. Give it undiluted at 1 cc per 5 pounds for 5 days. Take their temp again, be sure to insert the thermometer at least an inch, 1.5 inches is better. You might try giving liquid children's motrin for pain and fever. 1 cc per 10 pounds every 6 hours or so. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Lisa McCord New member Username: lisa_mac Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 72.146.185.221 Rating: N/A |
I have two bucklings that I bought about 2-3 weeks ago. They have been fine until yesterday. They just don't seem to feel good. They will eat and drink water, but, that's all. Then they find a place in the barn and just stand together. Neither of them has a temp. One of them has a slightly dirty nose, like it's been running and dried. They are simply not acting normal. They should be running and playing and they aren't. I'm very concerned. Any advice would be appreciated. Lisa |
