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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 394 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Only way to be absolutely sure is to blood test for selenium level. But I would say its easily enough for nearly any situation. I may have to see if I can get that here. I have some bucks that would benefit from the higher zinc and I sure wouldn't miss having to remember to give selenium injections! Thanks for sharing! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| alana coleman (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 216.7.34.173 Rating: N/A |
great northwestern copper 1600 ppm manganese300 ppm zinc7000 ppm cobalt 40 ppm iodine66 ppm selenium 120 ppm A 85,000 iu/lb D30,000 iu/lb E50 iu/lb instructions feed free choice to dairy and meat goats as the only source of salt. do not combine with other foods that have added selenium. do not feed to sheep. would that measn do not give bose? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 392 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
This loose selenium is a trace mineral mix with salt right? What amount of copper does it have, how about zinc? What amount of selenium? I have never seen one over 60 ppm selenium... Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| alana coleman (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 216.7.34.243 Rating: N/A |
Thank you so much for the info. I have loose selinium that they can have when ever they want it. should I not leave it out for them? I feed very little corn, its mostly a treat 1/4 cup a goat, and they don't like alphalpa pellets at all. again thank you for your help. everyone else seems to be doing good right now. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 391 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Laura, Lots of people feed lots more corn than that, sounds like you have the right idea. Your plan is simple and would obviously work for many species in many areas of the country. I really like that! Some people try to make it too complicated. We feed a horse quality round baled hay, like you, a good quality pelleted goat feed, and after much research and blood testing settled on a beef cattle mineral that had more of what my goats lacked. Wormed 4 times a year and on the day they kid. The girls clean up the grain in about 3 minutes and then head back out to the pasture or hay to finish filling up. That's it. I have pygmies that get fat on AIR. I also have a nice wooded browsy pasture for exercise and dietary variety. Grain should ALWAYS be considered a supplement, it is quality roughage that FEEDS the goat (and the horse and the cow and the sheep and for that matter the people!). Many areas are selenium deficient and that which is in the feed and minerals is still not enough. As of about 20 years ago, the FDA started to HIGHLY regulate the amount of selenium that could be put into both feed and mineral supplements. Even with feeding the highest selenium supplemented mineral I can get around here (58 ppm) I still have to give BoSe twice a year. And I am supposedly in an area of the country that tends to be variable (may or may not have enough) selenium in the soil. But most farm land around here has been way overfarmed and the fertilizers that are used to not put the trace minerals back. Once they are gone from the field they are gone. I do routine blood testing for disease and at the same time pull blood mineral levels on a representative population of my herd. If I don't give the BoSe, my herd is low on selenium AND I see kids with weak legs. It is true that high levels of selenium can certainly kill, so can high levels of copper, cobalt, even iron and salt. Its all a matter of balance. And as you know its all what works for your own herd. And a simple plan tends to work best! I look forward to reading more of your responses! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Laura Minn New member Username: scienceteacher Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.9 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm, I've been feeding whole corn - mixed half with a good all-stock pellet .. for many years with no problems....I have read that too much selenium can cause death - so I've only fed trace amounts. and Alfalfa is good - but doesn't have all the amino acids that they need. Soybean meal does - most pellets use this protien source due to the amino balance. But I think it's the same with goats as it is with horses.... It HOW MUCH you feed in concentrates that really matters...(I feed a molasses-free all-grain mix to the horses) I've never had bloat, nor colic (horses) since switching to this diet: I give: Free choice 'horse hay' rolls that have been properly stored indoors and/or Pasture + weeds that the horses avoid - 24/7. All 6-9 goats have to split 2.5lbs of their Corn/pellet mix 2X per day... Mineral salt block aways available - and crushed minerals in a pan in the shelter.. All my livestock are wormed 4-6 times per year - and are vaccinated annually... All my goats tend to be a touch heavy - but not enough for my vet to worry, since it's roughage that they keep weight on with. the concentrates should only be used as 'vit/mineral/protein' supplements... At least according to university studies... | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 387 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Bloat can kill fast as can enterotoxemia (overeating disease) even pneumonia can kill very fast. Corn is not a very good goat feed unless all you want to do is fatten them for market. It is mostly empty calories not much else nutritionally. The abortion could just be a one time thing, or it could be the start of an "abortion storm". If you have another you can give the remaining goats (and any bucks too) LA 200 at 1 cc per 30 pounds by SQ injection every other day for 3 treatments. This is effective against chlamydia, one of the most common causes of late term abortion. Most kids born before day 135 (about 1.5 weeks early) don't make it. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Violet Knapp New member Username: violetknapp Post Number: 36 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 207.118.0.219 Rating: N/A |
Hi Alana, I had a younger doe kid, about 8 months old do the same thing. Fed that night and all was fine, found her dead in the morning. I figured it was bloat, thats about the only thing that will take them that quick. I am not sure, but I have read somewhere not to feed corn, or alot of it. Maybe you could check that out, and make sure the hay is not dusty or moldly, as that can also cause alot of problems. Violet http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/hilltopacres/ | ||
| alana coleman (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 216.7.34.65 Rating: N/A |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, we have 37 does at least 30 of them are pregnant, we woke up this morning and 1 of our 11 month olds(not pregnant) was dead this morning no signs of anything. any idea what this could be, they have been wormed,(before breeding) corn and alfafa pellets,and hay, and selinium salt. any ideas would be great. they are cross boers. we also had a pregnant goat that had her baby 25 days early and lost it, could I have a big problem here. the vet will be coming out tuesday but they haven't been of much help. |