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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 358 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
If you have a 10 cc syrige with a tiny tip on it give a 10 cc warm water enema. If you have a weak kid feeding tube this will work very well, insert it about 1.5 inches and give a 10 to 15 cc warm water enema. This is for standard sized goats, use half for pygmies. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.138.139 Rating: N/A |
When I was out in the barn a little bit ago, there was a little bit more of the black meconium on his bottom, mom had cleaned some of it off before I caught how much he had passed exactly. He also peed. He does feel like he is full, so possibly you are dead on on the constipation. Never had one constipated at birth. How much of the enema do I give him? I'll have to run to the store and pick one up. Is there any homemade remedies that work? It is snowing here, and don';t know the condition of the roads. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 357 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Has he pooped out all the black meconium? If he is not pooping yellow by now he is likely constipated. Kids who are constipated won't nurse because they are already full, they will go through the motions but don't really suck. They also get dehydrated which makes the constipation worse. Bring him in, give an enema (a Fleet's Infant enema from the drug store works well). Likely he is a little cold again too, from low blood sugar. This is fairly common with kids that have a rough start. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.138.139 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, the baby did alright the whole night long, but into the day he is sucking less again. His temp is 102.2 A few sucks every hour or so. I have given him the goat-aide, some karo again, and a shot of penicillin, just in case. He stands fine, doesn't seem to be getting weak, but doesn't walk around much. Question: Should I bring him in again, or just leave him alone, getting him up every hour or so to nurse a little. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 346 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: |
Leave him for a bit, half an hour to an hour, and check to be sure he is still doing okay. I suspect he just got a bit chilled. Make sure mom really is giving colostrum and it isn't too thick to flow easily. He should be fine if well bedded and out of the draft. I know of one breeder that goes out at midnight and at about 3 to roust the kids and encourage them to nurse. Says she never has "frozen" dead kids in the morning. Sometimes newborns have trouble regulating their body temp (don't know to snuggle in close to mom) for the first day or so and will fall asleep in the wrong place and get chilled. I am glad he is better! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 28 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.139.160 Rating: N/A |
Yeah!! Good News! Took the baby out to nurse, and he nursed very well.. Now my question is: It is in the 30's here and snowing. It's 8:30 p.m. Should I bring him inside, and take him back out to mama every hour or so; or is he ok to leave outside with her now? Don't want to risk getting chilled again. Thanks so much.. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 345 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Buy a weak kid tube and syringe. If you have the standard sized goats the one for sale by most livestock supply companies is perfect. If you have pygmies, Valley Vet carries a feeding tube for puppies that is perfect, they also have the one for lambs (goats). It is a lifesaver, it is much safer for the kid than force feeding by syringing milk into the mouth. With syringing if the kid won't swallow willingly you run a greater risk of the kid aspirating milk or colostrum. Either of these will cause aspiration pneumonia which is often fatal. You also know exactly how much the kid is getting. You only gave about an ounce (30 cc is one ounce). I would try feeding or helping him nurse in no less than an hour. An ounce isn't even a very big meal for my pygmies. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 27 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.138.137 Rating: N/A |
I took his temp. It was one point away from 102. He has just passed some meconium and peed. He is still shivering some, though, even though his temp is 102. I just syringed him between 30 and 40 cc's of colostrum milk, should I wait a couple hours and see if he is hungry enough to try sucking later. I think I will take him back to mom in a little bit and see what he does. I will check into the tubing, although, I don't know anything about it or have any supplies for it. VERY SCARY! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 344 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Take the kids temperature or feel inside the mouth (on the roof of the mouth). If the temp is 100 or below or if the roof of the mouth feels cold or cool he is too cold to have a suckle reflex. I am betting he is still too cold. It is very hard to get into the lung by tube feeding on a conscious goat. Follow the directions on the Goatworld articles page carefully and you won't go wrong. You know you are in the right place if the tube goes in far enough (as measured before you begin to the last rib) as it can't go that far in if it is in the lung! He WILL die if he doesn't start getting more nutrition. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 26 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.138.137 Rating: N/A |
My fullblood boer doe kidded this afternoon. First kid I assisted pulling out, he was big. Seemed fine at birth, now hours later, I cannot get him to nurse from mom or a bottle. I have brought him into the house, warmed him on the oven door, with a towel under him, of course. I have milked some colostrum from mom, and have been syringing that to him, He is standing better now, I have given him goat aide, karo syrup, and bo-se. Is there any suggestions from anyone as to what else I can do? Will he come into the sucking from mom or bottle, beings it has now been almost 5 hours since he was born. I've heard of kids that won't suck, but never had one born on my farm before. I have tried using the prichard nipple, no luck. Is there any hope that when he gets good and hungry he will start sucking? I don't like to keep syringing his colostrum into him, but I have NO EXPERIENCE tube feeding, and that is not an option for me, as I am afraid that I would go into a lung. |
