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Sandi Scott
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Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 04:40 am:   

Ann,

Here's a link that has the pinch collars I'm talking about. They are the same as used for dogs.

Sandi
http://www.dog-training.com/fsdtchai.htm#Pinch%20Collars%20&%20Extra%20Links
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Ann Flickinger
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 06:50 pm:   

I found some loose cattle/goat minerals and brought it home this evening. I will try it out tomorrow. Maybe this will encourage my 2 little ones to use it too, since I never see them using the blocks.
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Ann Flickinger
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 06:09 am:   

Sandi, I have seen these collars for dogs. Is there a special goat version of the collar or can I use the dog type? should the collar be placed high on the neck or just where it lays? I would like to try it out, although I am going to be cautious, since he can be explosive at times. I honestly don't know why he is like this, he has always been this way and can be very friendly and loving one minute and then the next he just leaves in a hurry to be alone. I have had him since he was 5 months old. Even if someone comes up to the pasture fence he comes over to the fence and stands just out of reach and the hair on his neck stands up. I have tried babying him and he just pushes away most of the time. I am going to check on the loose cow minerals too.
Thanks!
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Sandi Scott
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 05:53 am:   

Ann,

The sheep mineral will not have copper. Copper is toxic to sheep, goats need a lot. Get the one for cattle if there isn't a specific goat mineral available.

As for handling him - I suggest a good pinch collar. I bought one at a show and need to start looking for another one, because it is so effective. It looks viscious, because it has these interlocking prongs that face inward. But since the goat has a lot of loose skin in the neck, and the prongs are dull, they don't pierce the skin, it just pinches the goat a bit. When any of my goats have this collar on, they become completely docile. Even my tiny 80 lb daughter could handle the biggest animal. (Of course, for safety reasons, she is not allowed to handle the buck at all, and the bigger does only under my direct supervision.) I've seen people put these collars on even tiny two month old kids. I prefer not to use it on the little ones, but for any animal 6 months and older, especially if I'm working alone, I use the pinch collar.


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Ann Flickinger
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 05:04 am:   

Maggie, thanks so much! I will work on trimming off the sperated hoof and use the solutions you described. As for the minerals, he has free choice of a horse mineral block (and also a white salt block.), not a loose mineral, since all I was able to locate was cow and a sheep loose mineral. He uses the mineral block all the time. I will have to check the copper/zinc content at the store since my label is gone. What is the proper content? Also if cow or sheep loose minerals are better for him I will switch to that.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 03:07 am:   

Proper mineral supplementation is essential for good hoof growth. They need enough copper and zinc. Do you give a loose mineral mix? What is the copper and zinc content? You might also give a hoof growth supplement for horses in his daily grain treat.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 03:05 am:   

Trimming away the separated hoof wall and treating with iodine or a strong bleach solution will take care of any hoofrot situation that may hinder his healing from founder. We find that if you don't completely trim away the separated wall dirt packs in and makes the situation worse. The proper dose for the Ivomec injectable is 1 cc per 25 pounds. It is very safe you can give 100 times that amount and do no harm. Please be sure to give enough. Giving too little creates superworms that are very resistant to dewormers.
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Ann Flickinger
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Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 08:40 pm:   

I have a 4 year old pet Toggenburg wether. In the spring his hoof walls started to break right of his feet. I had the vet out and needless to say my goat, Trouble tends to be a very aggressive toward everyone, except me and after a quick exam (he managed to kick the vet in the shoulder while we were holding him down.)the vet said that he appeared to have foundered and to let him have free range of the pasture and all the weeds and branches he can reach and the hooves should grow back just fine. His hooves seemed to be growing back fine for a while, but 2 days ago he became very lame in one front leg and was laying down a lot. There is not much to trim since his hooves are breaking off again, although I try to do some shaping so his pads don't get deformed. There are no foul smelling oders from his hooves and he does not appear to have any heat in his feet, so I immediately used icthomal drawing salve and pasted it all over and under his hooves and between his toes hoping that if there is an infection or abcess forming this would help. The next morning he was no longer limping, but just seemed to be a little tender footed. I have continued to apply the drawing salve daily. I am worried about infection and already know that goats can go fast when they are sick. He is out in a 2 acre pasture with trees, weeds and grass with some clover and he is fed free choice sodium bicarbonate and hay and only gets a very small sprinkling (not even a handful) of goat feed mix twice a day when I feed the horse and the other 2 goats. He is wormed regularly with ivomec, although I may not be giving enough. He is a very hardy large boy and gains weight easily and has had no other health problems until this.He is also up to date on CD/T. Any suggestions or help or any kind would be greatly appreciated. I would like to prevent this problem altogether, so any suggestions on that would be helpful and greatly appreciated too. I would also like any suggestions for handling him, since he is so aggressive with others I have to do everything myself and he weights about about 100 lbs.more than I do.

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