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1 WEEK OLD KID ACTING WEAK - MESSAGE FORUM DISCUSSION
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The following discussion appeared in the GoatWorld Message Forum. This message thread may or may not be indicative of the exact problem you are experiencing, and may also contain information that leads to other topics, but should be considered as a reference for comparative purposes.
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Followup: "She is nursing and yes she did receive colostrum. I really don't know when the last time she pooped was and we actually saw her eat last, yesterday mid-afternoon. Her mom tries to encourage her to eat but she just rubs her nose on the nipple and will not actually eat. How do I check for mastitis? She has a twin sister that is doing great and I just witnessed her eating a couple of hours ago if that helps at all. It looks like I will most likely have to attempt the Karo syrup as the nearest TSC is an hour trip. Can you tell me the mixture please?"
Followup: "Her temperature is up to 101.4 and we've decided to give her a bottle to try to get some fluid into her and we have managed to get a little into her. We performed an enema. Real yellow/orange poop came out. She's stopped crying so much but still didn't want anything to do with her mom."
Followup: "We have the CD Tetanus Toxoid. She seems to be weezing and breathing hard."
Followup: "We've only gotten an ounce and 1/2 of milk into her. She urinated and pooped on her own about 15 minutes ago but still won't eat from mom. We tried to give her the bottle but she doesn't want that either. I do not have a feeding tube. I do have someone on their way to the grocery store to get some pedialite."
Followup: "Her temperature is still good at 101.7. She is alert and was able to walk for a little bit but was really very shaky. She begins to cry so I put her with her mom but still refuses to eat. I don't leave her with her for long because I don't want her temperature to drop again. She seems to be extremely weak now. I've tried to call the vet in our area but he's out of town today and his message say's "we're on our own." I tried the pedialite but she will not swallow it. Would an antibotic do any good? We do have LA200."
Followup: "We just got another ounce down her. We haven't given any further pepto or vitamins since the first dosage. I keep trying with the Karo and pedialite but it isn't going too good. The milk we are giving is the mixture of cow milk, buttermilk and evaporated milk that's on here. Should we give an antibiotic?"
Followup: "Her temperature is 103.4 right now. I don't have any IV fluids. She just had a messy poop but she just doesn't seem to be getting any better. We did give the b vitamins and pepto."
Followup: "Thanks for your concern with everything. The largest syringes I have are 5 cc. We just lost her though so no rush on the order. I still want the feeding tubes though so we have them on hand, whatever syringes you think I need, feel free to add them to my order, I'm not concerned about the price. What is it you think could have possibly happened to her? We were so concerned about the birthing and making sure her mother fed her and everything was going so good. Too good I guess. We've lost kids in the past but this illness seemed to come out of no where as she was perfectly fine yesterday. I just need to know what to do to prevent this from happening again, especially because we actually have 7 more kids we are caring for right now."
Followup: "No we did not give BO-SE injections. I truthfully don't even know what that is."
Followup: Did you vaccinate any of the does for CDT 4 to 6 weeks before kidding? If not one other thing you might think of doing as kids are born is to give them CD antitoxin when they are born to help protect them from enterotoxemia until they are old enough to vaccinate at 10 weeks. I personally don't have a whole lot of faith in Panacur. It is the same as Safeguard and that doesn't work for long unless given at 3 to 4 times the cattle dose for 5 consecutive days. Even at that dose it doesn't work in many places in the US. Check the lower inner eyelids of ALL of your goats. They should be DEEP reddish pink. If they are pale pink or white they have a severe worm load. I use Ivermectin Injectable for Cattle given orally at 1 cc per 25 pounds for 2 days repeating the treatment in 10 days to 2 weeks. Deworm ALL does on the day they kid or the day after. Ivermectin is very safe even at 25 times this dose for all goats pregnant does, kids and bucks. Providing a loose mineral with adequate copper is also essential. Goats can't lick long enough or hard enough to make good use of a block. If your mineral or feed is labeled for sheep and goats its doesn't have enough copper for goats. Look for a loose mineral with 900 to 1800 ppm copper, 3000 to 5000 ppm zinc and a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to phosphorus. If you can't find one like that for goats then try looking at beef cattle minerals. I have used a beef cattle mineral for years and am very pleased with the results. Worms did not kill this kid. They take at least 3 weeks to mature in the intestines. Most kids don't have a problem with parasites before 6 to 8 weeks old maybe longer than that depending on overcrowding and rate of exposure from the herd. "I will check into that. I have another question though. Last month we lost a buck and a doe and had another buck begin to go down. All had extremely low body temps and got weak. Once we got their temps up they seemed to be doing good but then took another dive and we lost one buck and one doe. I called the vet out and he said there was a strain of worms in the area that are very resistant. He gave us Panacur which saved the last buck and he is doing good now. We also gave b vitamins. My question is, could this have been what caused her to go down? She basically experienced the same as what the adults did, just that perhaps being so young, couldn't manage to get herself going again. Should we give the Panacur to the other 7 babies just to be safe? Is Panacur safe to give at such a young age? All are within the 1st week of their lives. Just wanted to let you know that I spoke to the vet and he confirmed we do have a selenium deficiency in our area. He thought it was a great idea and thought he had already given us some (he didn't) so he wrote us a RX. Thanks for all the help you both have offered."
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GoatWorld Notes: In determined cases of selenium deficiencies, I have found that generally doelings can often be found to exhibit many of the symptoms that were outlined within this discussion. Bucklings on the other hand will often present at birth with weak or completely unusable back legs (this is often also referred to as White Muscle Disease). In areas known to be selenium deficient, the use of BO-SE has become well accepted. I tend to treat before or after cases through the use of minerals. A pregnant doe given access to a properly balanced mineral mix (based upon the deficiencies in any given area) is far less likely to present kids with deficiency issues. Likewise, a doe that has kidded and presented deficiency issues in her kids can also be given a proper mineral mix and thus correct the kids deficiences as well as her own, over a marginal period of time. Sometimes the BO-SE application may be right for the situation at hand. |
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